[ausev] "Why a hydrogen economy doesn't make sense"

[Charlesvsi at aol.com]

On Hydrogen who will ever allow a fill-up station in their neighborhood,  one 
explosion, and the program will be dead. 
The Department of Defense is working on a program to replace the 7  different 
grades of petroleum fuel with one that can be made cheaply with  essentially 
no refining from the output of oil shale recovery process. Their  maps show 
enough  reserves in the US to be totally independent of  other sources. The 
program started in '02, is beginning testing in military  vehicles soon, etc. 
I have a large power point presentation showing the entire program, sent to  
me by son-in law who works in military mfg. company. Not secure document. 
Coincidently we have a friend who is working on PHD in oil recovery and  
cleanup, doing internship for Shell oil in oil shale recovery, he agrees there  is 
enough deposits to fuel the US for years. . 
 
If anyone wants to see it, let me know, I think I can find it and attach it  
to e-mail, probably will be zipped or something, However very interesting, I  
don't know why Government is not telling us about this energy future program?? 
. 
Chuck 
_charlesvsi at aol.com_ (mailto:charlesvsi at aol.com) 
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------
In a message dated 12/14/2006 9:07:29 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
Gil at Gil.Dawson.name writes:



At 12:00 P -0600 12/13/06, Erik Bigelow wrote:
>What  Hydrogen is lacking is a reason for being used
>at all.

Perhaps,  after most of the oil is gone, it might prove viable for 
long-distance  trucking.  And trains.

--Gil

P.S.  And ships and  airplanes.

I guess ships can go back to sails.

Has anyone  thought how airplanes might fly without petroleum?

Paul MacReady's  Aerovironment built a solar-powered airplane that 
flew above 80,000 feet  continuously for nearly a month.  They're now 
packaging it for the  military and claiming 65,000 feet altitude, 1000 
pound payload and 6KW  excess power.  In his prototype he chose to use 
a closed  water/hydrogen/fuel cell cycle to fly at night because 
batteries weighed  too much.  His polymer hydrogen storage tank 
weighed less than a  pound.  They don't say how the military version 
is powered, but its  flight duration is only a week, so it might not 
be solar.

Gliders  might work, if we can figure a way to detect updrafts from 
afar.   They are quite efficient, but their performance is sporadic, 
depending  upon the skill of the pilot to locate rising air.  They 
don't work  very well at  night.

--Gil
_______________________________________________
AusEV  mailing  list
AusEV at austinev.org
http://www.austinev.org/mailman/listinfo/ausev





Chuck Simms

Director, North Austin M.U.District  #1
e-mail: charlesvsi at aol.com
Phone: 512-331-9630
Cell:  505-331-1237
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: http://www.austinev.org/pipermail/ausev/attachments/20061215/a29aa72b/attachment.html