[ausev] "Why a hydrogen economy doesn't make sense"

[Ian Ward]

Chuck,

Aside from being inefficient, oil shale mining appears to be an
environmental disaster waiting to happen.  Whether or not the inefficiencies
are overcome by high natural petroleum prices, its consumption will only
prolong our existing transportation pollution.  Let's hope it never reaches
viability.

- ian

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From: ausev-bounces at austinev.org [mailto:ausev-bounces at austinev.org] On
Behalf Of Donovan Becker
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 11:12 AM
To: ausev at austinev.org
Subject: Re: [ausev] "Why a hydrogen economy doesn't make sense"

I'd like to see that presentation if it's possible. My e-mail is 
dbecker215 at hotmail.com. Thanks.


>From: Charlesvsi at aol.com
>Reply-To: AustinEV News Announcements and General 
>Discussion<ausev at austinev.org>
>To: ausev at austinev.org
>Subject: Re: [ausev] "Why a hydrogen economy doesn't make sense"
>Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 10:41:53 EST
>
>
>
>On Hydrogen who will ever allow a fill-up station in their neighborhood,  
>one
>explosion, and the program will be dead.
>The Department of Defense is working on a program to replace the 7  
>different
>grades of petroleum fuel with one that can be made cheaply with  
>essentially
>no refining from the output of oil shale recovery process. Their  maps show
>enough  reserves in the US to be totally independent of  other sources. The
>program started in '02, is beginning testing in military  vehicles soon, 
>etc.
>I have a large power point presentation showing the entire program, sent to
>me by son-in law who works in military mfg. company. Not secure document.
>Coincidently we have a friend who is working on PHD in oil recovery and
>cleanup, doing internship for Shell oil in oil shale recovery, he agrees 
>there  is
>enough deposits to fuel the US for years. .
>
>If anyone wants to see it, let me know, I think I can find it and attach it
>to e-mail, probably will be zipped or something, However very interesting, 
>I
>don't know why Government is not telling us about this energy future 
>program??
>.
>Chuck
>_charlesvsi at aol.com_ (mailto:charlesvsi at aol.com)
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>In a message dated 12/14/2006 9:07:29 P.M. Central Standard Time,
>Gil at Gil.Dawson.name writes:
>
>
>
>At 12:00 P -0600 12/13/06, Erik Bigelow wrote:
> >What  Hydrogen is lacking is a reason for being used
> >at all.
>
>Perhaps,  after most of the oil is gone, it might prove viable for
>long-distance  trucking.  And trains.
>
>--Gil
>
>P.S.  And ships and  airplanes.
>
>I guess ships can go back to sails.
>
>Has anyone  thought how airplanes might fly without petroleum?
>
>Paul MacReady's  Aerovironment built a solar-powered airplane that
>flew above 80,000 feet  continuously for nearly a month.  They're now
>packaging it for the  military and claiming 65,000 feet altitude, 1000
>pound payload and 6KW  excess power.  In his prototype he chose to use
>a closed  water/hydrogen/fuel cell cycle to fly at night because
>batteries weighed  too much.  His polymer hydrogen storage tank
>weighed less than a  pound.  They don't say how the military version
>is powered, but its  flight duration is only a week, so it might not
>be solar.
>
>Gliders  might work, if we can figure a way to detect updrafts from
>afar.   They are quite efficient, but their performance is sporadic,
>depending  upon the skill of the pilot to locate rising air.  They
>don't work  very well at  night.
>
>--Gil
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