[ausev] OPEN GARAGE: 8-6-2006 12:30 -- Ranger battery swap

jtp jtp at onr.com
Sat Sep 30 04:14:28 GMT 2006 

Mark,
 I've decided to move forward with designing my electric motorcycle.  I will
probably have to draft several differing designs, since the various battery
sizes and weights are so different. (Esp. for  suspension, shocks, springs,
etc.)
I don't think A123systems has any batteries to sell, and, probably won't
have anything to sell in the next year or so from what I have been told.
  When I saw you at the "Who killed the electric car?" event, I wasn't
thinking in terms of lithium-ion, as I thought that the A123 developer pack
size might need too many cell arrays and be excessively "connection busy".
But since the weight and power ratios are the most important for everything
else, I thought that I'd ask what your firm has, so that I can consider an
additional design draft with your firms' battery specs as well.
 Dan Petit.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Marc Kohler" <mkohler at austin.rr.com>
To: "AustinEV News Announcements and General Discussion"
<ausev at austinev.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 12:35 PM
Subject: Re: [ausev] OPEN GARAGE: 8-6-2006 12:30 -- Ranger battery swap


> you might also want to contact the guys at www.alternativ.ca as they
> replaced their Ford Ranger EV pack with Li-ion.
> If anything, perhaps they can offer some advice.
> Marc
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jtp" <jtp at onr.com>
> To: "AustinEV News Announcements and General Discussion"
> <ausev at austinev.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 3:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [ausev] OPEN GARAGE: 8-6-2006 12:30 -- Ranger battery swap
>
>
> > From:  Dan Petit.     I've checked to see if there is any archived
service
> > procedure on the battery pack replacement for the 97 Electric Ranger
from
> > Covert Ford service manager, Mr. Webb.  He advised me that Leif Johnson
> Ford
> > "were certified to do it". [Ten years ago].
> > But he said he'd look into it to see if there were any archived service
> > procedures in the interest of safety.
> > And, also, he would additionally check to see if it would be something
> that
> > they would be able to handle if  you wanted. [Seeing as they likely may
> have
> > any specially- designed service equipment, or access to it if there were
> no
> > other options].   I suggested that he also check with the Covert's
> (owners)
> > to see if there may be some avenue of  promotional value to increase
sales
> > of hybrids, if not help put forward grassroots interest in plug-in
> > gaselectrics
> > from Ford Motor,  all in light of having the work done as an offset for
> the
> > promotional value for hybrids and future gaselectrics/plug-ins,
depending
> on
> > interest of the owners as well as yourself. But at least, for the
> > considerations of safety, he is doing some archival research.
> >              Dan Petit.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "mark witt" <aztexan45 at hotmail.com>
> > To: <ausev at austinev.org>
> > Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 9:39 PM
> > Subject: Re: [ausev] OPEN GARAGE: 8-6-2006 12:30 -- Ranger battery swap
> >
> >
> > > Chris is right..results were minimal...but on a good note the hot dogs
> > were
> > > only slightly burned and the chili was ok and not too lava
like..nobody
> > was
> > > crushed or shocked or sunburned. Plus Derek wrote down alot of life
and
> > time
> > > saving things and Chris looked up some cool tools on line that we may
be
> > > able to rent here in town. I would like to regroup on Sunday the 20th
to
> > > take another stab at it. In the meantime we will try to hammer out
what
> to
> > > procure to proceed.
> > >    On that note I talked to a friend of mine who steered me toward
these
> > > jacks
> > >
> > >
> >
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item=1600153
> > 72285&ih=006&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT
> > >
> > > ...(ebay or where ever....which made me go out and look at the rear
> bumper
> > > on the Ranger and examine it and see that it is quite
substantial..maybe
> > > more so than my gasoline Ranger bumper...ok ...so say we get the truck
> up
> > to
> > > 40+ inches high and then use something similar to the 2200 lbs.
rolling
> > lift
> > > that Chris saw(see his link)
> > >
> >
>
http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_1037691_1
> > 037691
> > >
> > >   to lower the pack.
> > >    On the front of the truck where no such good bumper exists we use a
> > long
> > > ,tall floor jack with appropriate after supports. It's all nice and
> level
> > > and we still have enough room to roll the pack out....Ponder and let
me
> > know
> > > the pros and cons of this...(ie how we clear the ball joints etc. in
the
> > > front).....I'm keeping the faith...Witt
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Chris Robison" <eeyore at phototropia.org>
> > > >Reply-To: eeyore at phototropia.org,        AustinEV News Announcements
> and
> > > >General Discussion<ausev at austinev.org>
> > > >To: eeyore at phototropia.org,        "AustinEV News Announcements and
> > General
> > > >Discussion" <ausev at austinev.org>
> > > >Subject: Re: [ausev] OPEN GARAGE: 8-6-2006 12:30 -- Ranger battery
swap
> > > >Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 13:38:40 -0500 (CDT)
> > > >
> > > >BTW, it sounds below like I was the one to have discovered my error
in
> > > >recalling the dimensions of the pack from the first time we went over
> > > >there to look at it.  It was actually Derek who carefully measured
> > > >everything, and told me politely why my crazy scheme wouldn't work.
> :o)
> > > >
> > > >   --chris
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >On Mon, August 7, 2006 1:24 pm, Chris Robison said:
> > > > > The results from Sunday were pretty minimal.  Mark Witt can
probably
> > > > > elaborate further, but my [re]discovery was that the pack is much
> > taller
> > > > > than I'd recalled, up in front where they have a second layer of
> > > > > batteries.
> > > > >
> > > > > Essentially, lowering the 1900-lb pack and raising the remainder
of
> > the
> > > > > truck to clear it, are two completely separate problems which must
> > both
> > > >be
> > > > > solved. And the height to which the truck must be lifted will be
> > > >difficult
> > > > > to achieve at both ends.  If we can get away with only having to
> lift
> > it
> > > > > at one end (the front) then we might be able to do it with an
engine
> > > > > hoist.  If not, then we will have to get more creative, or rent a
> bay
> > > >with
> > > > > a lift that can grab the vehicle from the sides.
> > > > >
> > > > > Lowering the pack is probably doable with Witt's palette jack
though
> > it
> > > > > will be tricky. Otherwise it might be a job for a mid-rise scissor
> > lift,
> > > > > which would also be nice to have for raising cars:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> >
>
>http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_20010267
> > 4_200102674
> > > > >
> > > > > Or something more like a hydraulic lift cart:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> >
>
>http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_1037691_
> > 1037691
> > > > >
> > >
> >
>
>http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_20010267
> > 4_200102674
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >   --chris
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, August 7, 2006 12:38 pm, R. D. Childers said:
> > > > >> Woops.  I showed up at Chris's house on Saturday and missed the
> > Sunday
> > > > >> show.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > > > >> From: "Aaron Choate" <achoate at gmail.com>
> > > > >> To: "AustinEV" <ausev at austinev.org>; "AustinEV Announce"
> > > > >> <ausev-announce at austinev.org>
> > > > >> Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2006 8:09 AM
> > > > >> Subject: [ausev] OPEN GARAGE: 8-6-2006 12:30 -- Ranger battery
swap
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> Good day all,
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Mark Witt will be hosting this week's open garage.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Sunday (not Saturday) 8-6-2006 12:30
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Come help work on a factory Ford Ranger battery pack swap and
> learn
> > > > >>> about how they put the vehicle together.  The group will get
> > together
> > > > >>> to plan the swap and work out how the new batteries will be
going
> > into
> > > > >>> the pack.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> hot dogs and refreshments and after we are done those who want
to
> > > > >>> hang out in the backyard and watch "Pirates of the Caribbean" on
> the
> > > > >>> big
> > > > >>> screen can when it gets dark.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Mark Witt
> > > > >>> 7209 wild onion dr.
> > > > >>> Austin, tx 78744
> > > > >>> 512-294-5308
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