[ausev] hi im a newbie here with a question(s) for mark farver....

[jefoy at mindspring.com]

Consider the arguments sited at the following link:  http://www.electroauto.com/info/pollmyth.shtml

Then consider the power generation for texas as outlined here: http://www.ktvu.com/globalwarming/10086689/detail.html

Jack

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>From: Spamster <spamster at austin.rr.com>
>Sent: Feb 20, 2007 6:52 PM
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>Subject: RE: [ausev] hi im a newbie here with a question(s) for	mark	farver....
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>"A modern ICE is cleaner than the power plant used to charge the EV so net
>gain for using a small efficient hybrid over a full EV at least as long as
>the power plants mix remains what it is."
>
>I am skeptical of this statement. The last time I checked, the carbon
>footprint of charging was a LOT smaller than using a modern ICE. From memory
>it was 1/3 or less. In addition, the "elsewhere" is a power plant, which is
>a lot easier to regulate and clean up than millions of individual cars.
>
>Allan
>
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>Behalf Of jefoy at mindspring.com
>Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 5:49 PM
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>Subject: Re: [ausev] hi im a newbie here with a question(s) for mark
>farver....
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>Brian,
>
>Sometimes you have to compromise.. Maybe a full EV isn't as useful as
>something like a Ford Escape hybrid. If you mostly do the city commute type
>driving you get the maximum benefit from the hybrid. Resale value is better
>since it is all "factory" produced and while it doesn't quite have the full
>benefit to the environment as a true EV, over the long haul you will likely
>drive it more and actually do quite well in environmental impact.  
>
>Consider that for the current state of power production, Texas relies
>heavily on coal and outdated power plants. EVs become something of
>"pollution elsewhere" rather than "pollution free". A modern ICE is cleaner
>than the power plant used to charge the EV so net gain for using a small
>efficient hybrid over a full EV at least as long as the power plants mix
>remains what it is. (IMHO)
>
>Jack Foy
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Brian Lasseter <blasseter.cmpe01 at gtalumni.org>
>>Sent: Feb 20, 2007 4:37 PM
>>To: AustinEV News Announcements and General Discussion <ausev at austinev.org>
>>Subject: Re: [ausev] hi im a newbie here with a question(s) for mark
>farver....
>>
>>On 2/20/07, Christopher Robison <eeyore at phototropia.org> wrote:
>>> It seems to be the usual case that a converted EV sells for
>>> substantially less money than was spent to create it. I think in general
>>> this is because of the difficulty in evaluating the quality and
>>> longevity of a conversion. With the normal used-car market, you're only
>>> concerned with determining how well the previous owner treated the car,
>>> and there are standard things to look for, and companies that you can
>>> hire to look for these things for you.
>>>
>>> A custom-converted car brings a whole list of new things to be concerned
>>> about, such as weld quality, maintainability (is that bolt head behind a
>>> corner where I can't reach it without removing a rack of batteries?),
>>> weight distribution and handling, wiring, etc.  I think it's because of
>>> this uncertainty that it's hard to command a high price for a completed
>>> conversion unless you're in the business of building them and can build
>>> a reputation of quality over time.
>>
>>Since used EVs do not sell for as much as was spent to create them...
>>most owners are quite happy driving their vehicles until they are no
>>longer able to be driven anymore.  That makes the used market pretty
>>small.  (Along with the obvious lack of many EVs to start with.)
>>Also, as someone with no EV knowledge, the ability to evaluate a fair
>>price on a used car, and what repairs would be required is beyond my
>>abilities.
>>
>>I would be quite happy to buy a used or even a new EV (as my car
>>knowledge is lacking); however the availability of cars that would
>>suit my needs is lacking.  I need a 4 door car (for the kids), but
>>most conversions are 2 door cars or trucks.  I'll likely convert a
>>Saturn SL, or a Toyota Matrix or something else small and with 4
>>doors.
>>
>>If any production cars can fill the niche between the $10k Zap Xebra,
>>and the $60k AC Propulsion eBox... Then I would totally put down
>>$20k-$30k on an electric car.  As is, the Zap is too slow, and the
>>eBox has expensive Li-Ion batteries.  (My range needs would suffice
>>with Trojan batteries.)
>>
>>
>>-- 
>>TTFN,
>>Brian "Lasso" Lasseter
>>
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