[ausev] hi im a newbie here with a question(s) for mark farver....

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Thanks for the links. Good stuff. 

I heard in "Who Killed the Electric Car" that a gallon of gasoline ends up
producing 19 lbs of carbon in the air. That FAQ says that ULEV produce about
45 lbs of carbon monoxide per 12,000. This is an astounding difference. I
hope it's true.

Allan

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From: jefoy at mindspring.com [mailto:jefoy at mindspring.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 8:38 PM
To: Spamster; 'AustinEV News Announcements and General Discussion'
Subject: RE: [ausev] hi im a newbie here with a question(s) for mark
farver....

Consider the arguments sited at the following link:
http://www.electroauto.com/info/pollmyth.shtml

Then consider the power generation for texas as outlined here:
http://www.ktvu.com/globalwarming/10086689/detail.html

Jack

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>From: Spamster <spamster at austin.rr.com>
>Sent: Feb 20, 2007 6:52 PM
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>Subject: RE: [ausev] hi im a newbie here with a question(s) for	mark
farver....
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>"A modern ICE is cleaner than the power plant used to charge the EV so net
>gain for using a small efficient hybrid over a full EV at least as long as
>the power plants mix remains what it is."
>
>I am skeptical of this statement. The last time I checked, the carbon
>footprint of charging was a LOT smaller than using a modern ICE. From
memory
>it was 1/3 or less. In addition, the "elsewhere" is a power plant, which is
>a lot easier to regulate and clean up than millions of individual cars.
>
>Allan
>
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>Behalf Of jefoy at mindspring.com
>Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 5:49 PM
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>farver....
>
>Brian,
>
>Sometimes you have to compromise.. Maybe a full EV isn't as useful as
>something like a Ford Escape hybrid. If you mostly do the city commute type
>driving you get the maximum benefit from the hybrid. Resale value is better
>since it is all "factory" produced and while it doesn't quite have the full
>benefit to the environment as a true EV, over the long haul you will likely
>drive it more and actually do quite well in environmental impact.  
>
>Consider that for the current state of power production, Texas relies
>heavily on coal and outdated power plants. EVs become something of
>"pollution elsewhere" rather than "pollution free". A modern ICE is cleaner
>than the power plant used to charge the EV so net gain for using a small
>efficient hybrid over a full EV at least as long as the power plants mix
>remains what it is. (IMHO)
>
>Jack Foy
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Brian Lasseter <blasseter.cmpe01 at gtalumni.org>
>>Sent: Feb 20, 2007 4:37 PM
>>To: AustinEV News Announcements and General Discussion
<ausev at austinev.org>
>>Subject: Re: [ausev] hi im a newbie here with a question(s) for mark
>farver....
>>
>>On 2/20/07, Christopher Robison <eeyore at phototropia.org> wrote:
>>> It seems to be the usual case that a converted EV sells for
>>> substantially less money than was spent to create it. I think in general
>>> this is because of the difficulty in evaluating the quality and
>>> longevity of a conversion. With the normal used-car market, you're only
>>> concerned with determining how well the previous owner treated the car,
>>> and there are standard things to look for, and companies that you can
>>> hire to look for these things for you.
>>>
>>> A custom-converted car brings a whole list of new things to be concerned
>>> about, such as weld quality, maintainability (is that bolt head behind a
>>> corner where I can't reach it without removing a rack of batteries?),
>>> weight distribution and handling, wiring, etc.  I think it's because of
>>> this uncertainty that it's hard to command a high price for a completed
>>> conversion unless you're in the business of building them and can build
>>> a reputation of quality over time.
>>
>>Since used EVs do not sell for as much as was spent to create them...
>>most owners are quite happy driving their vehicles until they are no
>>longer able to be driven anymore.  That makes the used market pretty
>>small.  (Along with the obvious lack of many EVs to start with.)
>>Also, as someone with no EV knowledge, the ability to evaluate a fair
>>price on a used car, and what repairs would be required is beyond my
>>abilities.
>>
>>I would be quite happy to buy a used or even a new EV (as my car
>>knowledge is lacking); however the availability of cars that would
>>suit my needs is lacking.  I need a 4 door car (for the kids), but
>>most conversions are 2 door cars or trucks.  I'll likely convert a
>>Saturn SL, or a Toyota Matrix or something else small and with 4
>>doors.
>>
>>If any production cars can fill the niche between the $10k Zap Xebra,
>>and the $60k AC Propulsion eBox... Then I would totally put down
>>$20k-$30k on an electric car.  As is, the Zap is too slow, and the
>>eBox has expensive Li-Ion batteries.  (My range needs would suffice
>>with Trojan batteries.)
>>
>>
>>-- 
>>TTFN,
>>Brian "Lasso" Lasseter
>>
>>  .  (512)736-1677  .  AIM:digininja  .  ICQ:2238123  .  MSN:azoreg  .
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