[ausev] hi im a newbie here with a question(s) for mark farver....

Wed Feb 21 05:33:23 GMT 2007

The link from electroauto can be read several ways (an updated version
with more citations here: http://www.evadc.org/pwrplnt.pdf).
Particulates and sulfates rise, but NOx and HC drop to almost zero,
and CO2 to about 1/3. I'm not as familiar as some may be with power
generation, but coal energy production can be clean through
gassification. Given the US's coal supplies, coal will be around for a
while - used correctly, that's ok.

Some places also let you choose where your energy comes from through
deregulation. Austin Energy lets you choose wind power for instance.

Erik

On 2/20/07, jefoy at mindspring.com <jefoy at mindspring.com> wrote:
> Consider the arguments sited at the following link:  http://www.electroauto.com/info/pollmyth.shtml
>
> Then consider the power generation for texas as outlined here: http://www.ktvu.com/globalwarming/10086689/detail.html
>
> Jack
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Spamster <spamster at austin.rr.com>
> >Sent: Feb 20, 2007 6:52 PM
> >To: jefoy at mindspring.com, 'AustinEV News Announcements and General Discussion' <ausev at austinev.org>
> >Subject: RE: [ausev] hi im a newbie here with a question(s) for        mark    farver....
> >
> >"A modern ICE is cleaner than the power plant used to charge the EV so net
> >gain for using a small efficient hybrid over a full EV at least as long as
> >the power plants mix remains what it is."
> >
> >I am skeptical of this statement. The last time I checked, the carbon
> >footprint of charging was a LOT smaller than using a modern ICE. From memory
> >it was 1/3 or less. In addition, the "elsewhere" is a power plant, which is
> >a lot easier to regulate and clean up than millions of individual cars.
> >
> >Allan
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: ausev-bounces at austinev.org [mailto:ausev-bounces at austinev.org] On
> >Behalf Of jefoy at mindspring.com
> >Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 5:49 PM
> >To: AustinEV News Announcements and General Discussion
> >Subject: Re: [ausev] hi im a newbie here with a question(s) for mark
> >farver....
> >
> >Brian,
> >
> >Sometimes you have to compromise.. Maybe a full EV isn't as useful as
> >something like a Ford Escape hybrid. If you mostly do the city commute type
> >driving you get the maximum benefit from the hybrid. Resale value is better
> >since it is all "factory" produced and while it doesn't quite have the full
> >benefit to the environment as a true EV, over the long haul you will likely
> >drive it more and actually do quite well in environmental impact.
> >
> >Consider that for the current state of power production, Texas relies
> >heavily on coal and outdated power plants. EVs become something of
> >"pollution elsewhere" rather than "pollution free". A modern ICE is cleaner
> >than the power plant used to charge the EV so net gain for using a small
> >efficient hybrid over a full EV at least as long as the power plants mix
> >remains what it is. (IMHO)
> >
> >Jack Foy
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Brian Lasseter <blasseter.cmpe01 at gtalumni.org>
> >>Sent: Feb 20, 2007 4:37 PM
> >>To: AustinEV News Announcements and General Discussion <ausev at austinev.org>
> >>Subject: Re: [ausev] hi im a newbie here with a question(s) for mark
> >farver....
> >>
> >>On 2/20/07, Christopher Robison <eeyore at phototropia.org> wrote:
> >>> It seems to be the usual case that a converted EV sells for
> >>> substantially less money than was spent to create it. I think in general
> >>> this is because of the difficulty in evaluating the quality and
> >>> longevity of a conversion. With the normal used-car market, you're only
> >>> concerned with determining how well the previous owner treated the car,
> >>> and there are standard things to look for, and companies that you can
> >>> hire to look for these things for you.
> >>>
> >>> A custom-converted car brings a whole list of new things to be concerned
> >>> about, such as weld quality, maintainability (is that bolt head behind a
> >>> corner where I can't reach it without removing a rack of batteries?),
> >>> weight distribution and handling, wiring, etc.  I think it's because of
> >>> this uncertainty that it's hard to command a high price for a completed
> >>> conversion unless you're in the business of building them and can build
> >>> a reputation of quality over time.
> >>
> >>Since used EVs do not sell for as much as was spent to create them...
> >>most owners are quite happy driving their vehicles until they are no
> >>longer able to be driven anymore.  That makes the used market pretty
> >>small.  (Along with the obvious lack of many EVs to start with.)
> >>Also, as someone with no EV knowledge, the ability to evaluate a fair
> >>price on a used car, and what repairs would be required is beyond my
> >>abilities.
> >>
> >>I would be quite happy to buy a used or even a new EV (as my car
> >>knowledge is lacking); however the availability of cars that would
> >>suit my needs is lacking.  I need a 4 door car (for the kids), but
> >>most conversions are 2 door cars or trucks.  I'll likely convert a
> >>Saturn SL, or a Toyota Matrix or something else small and with 4
> >>doors.
> >>
> >>If any production cars can fill the niche between the $10k Zap Xebra,
> >>and the $60k AC Propulsion eBox... Then I would totally put down
> >>$20k-$30k on an electric car.  As is, the Zap is too slow, and the
> >>eBox has expensive Li-Ion batteries.  (My range needs would suffice
> >>with Trojan batteries.)
> >>
> >>
> >>--
> >>TTFN,
> >>Brian "Lasso" Lasseter
> >>
> >>  .  (512)736-1677  .  AIM:digininja  .  ICQ:2238123  .  MSN:azoreg  .
> >>"No Sane man will dance."   -Cicero (106-43 B.C.)
> >>
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