[ausev] The real original vehicle, was Phoenix debut event

[Aaron Choate]

At least on the "design" issue, I think you may have gotten the wrong
impression.

>From what I recall, they were congratulating the guy on his custom
modifications to the base look of the vehicle.  It was more of a "pimp my
ride" kind of unveiling as far as I felt.  The types of thing that guy
usually works on in California are things like the "custom" black and red
color scheme, the "custom" leather upholstery, the "custom" turn light
covers, the improved stereo install, the funky cell phone hookup, and the
"custom" plate under the hood with the motor controller manufacturer's name
water jetted out of it.  That kind of stuff.  That guy was not the "car
designer".  He was a car customizer from what I could tell.

Cheers,

Aaron Choate

On 3/10/07, Chris Robison <eeyore at phototropia.org> wrote:
>
> There may be no secrets, but there are evasive and misleading statements,
> and I heard a few of those Thursday night.
>
> My point is that they stated directly to the crowd that the Phoenix SUT
> wasn't based on another car, but rather a fully custom EV design. I have
> no recording of the speech nor the memory to quote them, but they
> certainly would have left me with the impression that this was a ground-up
> job. Did they not actually congratulate their designer for producing such
> a good-looking vehicle...?  If someone does manage to find a recording of
> what was said and it turns out that my memory has been distorted (not too
> difficult to conceive), then I will apologize and make corrections to my
> public statements.
>
> I could have asked them directly, and I'll admit my personal difficulties
> in approaching people in conversation tend to ruin many opportunities to
> do so. But I do not share your confidence that the information I was
> getting from them was completely honest and accurate.
>
> "Enough regen to break the tires loose" would imply the ability to produce
> and handle high regen currents, something I don't think you'll get out of
> a motor that can only produce 100 peak kilowatts and a little over 400
> ft-lbs of torque (very respectable torque among ICE engines,  but remember
> that this vehicle has no transmission).
>
> Then the claim that there is no loss of regen when the batteries are full
> -- the guy actually said that the batteries will "just keep on charging",
> "they'll get up to 800V before they 'give up'"...  So, um, the controller
> will safely accept 800V at the input without blowing up?  (If so, they
> wasted money on inefficient high-voltage power transistors).
>
> I think I am in agreement with most people here -- I want to see these
> guys succeed because at the end of the day what they have is a well-made
> vehicle, one I wouldn't mind owning and driving. It's based on some really
> cool technology, and the quality and driving experience are more than
> sufficient to compete in the current north american automotive
> marketplace. HOWEVER, I'd like them to realize that their product would be
> no less compelling, WITHOUT having to make up stuff about it. It's a great
> vehicle, even if it's a set of parts thrown into the shell of a Korean
> pickup truck.
>
>   --chris
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, March 10, 2007 7:15 am, KensCircus at aol.com wrote:
> >
>
> > Chris,
> >
> >
> > You don't have to guess what their "designer" did.  You can call and ask
> > him (909-987-0815).  You could have asked him Thursday evening.  They
> were
> > all there to answer your questions.  I had no problem speaking with any
> of
> > them, even the CEO.
> >
> > By the way, it is not a conversion.  They buy the chassis and body as a
> > part. Just like all the other parts involved in building the car.  They
> do
> > not buy a completed ICE vehicle and convert it.  I got that information
> > talking with one of their techs and the CEO, Daniel Elliot.  There
> really
> > isn't any secrets.
> >
> > Ken
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 3/9/2007 7:36:12 PM Central Standard Time,
> > eeyore at phototropia.org writes:
> >
> > Ah ha -- it's not the Musso exactly, but rather the models which will
> > replace them in their market:
> >
> > The SsangYong Actyon (SUV)
> > http://www.smotor.com/en/showroom/actyon/main.jsp
> >
> >
> > and the Actyon Sports (SUT) http://www.ssangyong.co.nz/actyonsports.html
> >
> >
> > So, I guess I don't really know what the hell their "designer" did. This
> > looks like a straight up conversion, just with parts that us little
> people
> >  can't afford.  :-)
> >
> > --chris
> >
> >
> >
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