[ausev] Some thoughts about ROI

[Carey King]

I find the ROI discussion slightly relevant to EV conversions given 
their up front cost and the multitude of reasons people have for 
pursuing them. For a general article on the 'ethics' of ROI and the 
discount rate that dictates the ROI, the following article is a good 
summary:

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=the-ethics-of-climate-change

carey

Michael Bonard wrote:
> John,
>
> If you look at ROI in everything you buy, you are ABSOLUTELY right if 
> you consider your _personal_ interest for the _short term_.
>
> However, we have to think about the future, and if we do not take 
> drastic measures now, we, as well as our children and grandchildren, 
> will be the victims of our present behavior.
>
> If you have children, you have certainly invested large sums of money in 
> their education: $100,000 per child is currently the lowest cost I can 
> find. We do that for their well being in the future. Were is the ROI there?
>
> Why not considering investments in energy independence and for the fight 
> against global warming _as an investment for our children, grandchildren 
> and future generations_? We do not need to look at the ROI here, we 
> cannot even define it!!
>
> For me, any other view is a complete contradiction: if I am willing to 
> pay for my children education to make sure that they have a better 
> chance of living a happy life and, at the same time, if I refuse to 
> invest in energy independence because of ROI, I am preparing for them a 
> future that will be terrible. This does not make sense!
>
> On the moral side, I find that ignoring the future generations is 
> horribly selfish.
>
> By the way, what is the ROI of buying a $75,000 sports car? ROI is an 
> invention of bean counters, and ROI has no consideration for human life. 
> ROI is a tool for businesses and corporations, not for every day's 
> personal life!
>
> We should think about the consequences of our actions, not only for 
> ourselves, but for the rest of the society and for the future. We need 
> to open our mind and grasp the big picture!
>
>
> Michael Bonard
> Washington DC
>
> By the way, ROI means "king" in French. We live in the country where ROI 
> is king!
>
>
>
> John Penry at TransTexasTrucks wrote:
>   
>> I object to the "green tax" that companies charge.
>> I buy Folgers by the pound, not Starbucks by the cup.  I look for value.
>> I object to calling it "Windtricity" when it is the same electricity my 
>> neighbor gets, but I have to pay more.
>> Now if they called it a "rate lock", I would buy it.
>> So why should I buy it if it costs more?
>> Is it up to me as a consumer, or is it up to our elected officials?
>> These types of questions could go on forever, but the fact is, I DO look at 
>> ROI in everything I buy.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Rush" <Rush at ironandwood.org>
>> To: "Dustin" <ullearn at gmail.com>; "AustinEV News Announcements and General 
>> Discussion" <ausev at austinev.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 8:28 PM
>> Subject: Re: [ausev] Residental Solar Power
>>
>>
>>   
>>     
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I'm way west of you all, but I find lots of interesting stuff on the 
>>> list...
>>> besides I used to live in Austin, on Congress.
>>>
>>> I often wonder how people figure pay back on shoes, on washing machines, 
>>> on
>>> cars... Why all of a sudden is there this big need to say it will or it
>>> won't pay me back. Why does that become the motivating factor for so many
>>> people? The need for people to justify an expenditure that puts oneself
>>> ahead of the curve on responsibility seems pretty lame to me...
>>>
>>> Just my .06 kWh worth.
>>>
>>> Rush
>>> Tucson, AZ
>>> 2000 Insight, 62lmpg, #4965
>>> www.ironandwood.org
>>> www.Airphibian.com
>>> www.TEVA2.com
>>>
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