[ausev] 40 hp bus

Sat Dec 20 01:59:51 GMT 2008

This is so true, ages ago we had so many new innovative transportation
products. Everything has been consolidated, same thing with aircraft
companies, we had dozens of them at the end of WWII. The
transportation industry has shifted from mass innovation to mass
profit. GM bought up electric trolley companies ages ago and replaced
them with Petrol fueled buses. This later changed to influence cities
to abandon their subway system construction plans, if you look at past
LA subway proposals (LA has a rather small subway system today,
especially for such a large city) you will see a lot of auto
manufacture interference. GM even sold their NIMH patent battery
technology to Chevron! of ALL companies! Chevron then created a
daughter company to employ the patents and has produced hardly
anything, from a once viable product that ran the EV1 and the Rav 4
EV. Now, Chrysler is suing them for failing to produce after agreeing
to provide NIMH units for their hybrids. These companies are about
monopolizing the market and nothing else. It's up for others to change
this, these companies aren't built for that kind of innovation.

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 3:44 PM, Jim Watson <osious at gmail.com> wrote:
> I admit I have been hateful to the big three. That's something that only I
> can deal with, maybe need to deal with. I guess my anger should be directed
> to the person in charge of scrapping the electric program from the big
> three. I should not be mad at the millions of people that work in and around
> those companies. Thank you for helping me realize that. Thank you for being
> patient with me.
>
> Jim
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 3:23 PM, Ian Ward <ian.ward at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> It would be kind of awkward for me to do that since Ford built my EV...and
>> I work for them, indirectly.
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 3:07 PM, Jim Watson <osious at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> When I do get an EV on the road I will put a big sign on the back of it
>>> that says if the big 3 and big oil will kill electric cars, then people will
>>> build there own!! Like this one!!!! We will stop buying gas and we will see
>>> who gets scrapped!! hahaha
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> P.S. maybe I will get a shity,.. I mean chevy hummer,.. convert it and
>>> then put the sign on that and drive it right up to the big three's door
>>> step!!
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 2:50 PM, Ian Ward <ian.ward at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I was assuming you were comparing the innovation required for vehicles
>>>> of yesteryear versus those of today. It's a not a fair comparison for
>>>> millions of reasons.
>>>> I agree with most of what you are saying, but until the industry rallies
>>>> around EV technology, the economies of scale make EVs impractical and
>>>> they'll remain in the garages of enthusiasts. The world society is
>>>> consumer-driven and until consumers can financially realize (as in benefit
>>>> from) the improved efficiency of EVs, the majority will not be consumers of
>>>> EVs. It's finally happening now, but the mistake was make 8 years ago when
>>>> the domestics killed their EV programs. The price of oil dropping won't help
>>>> keep in the front of consumer minds, but I think we have an incoming
>>>> executive and congress that will not loose sight of the future consequences
>>>> of letting that happen again. Because of the poor decisions made by Detroit,
>>>> Washington will have the power to make it happen - if we hold them to it.
>>>> I'm glad you're excited about EVs and I hope you do get one on the road.
>>>> - ian
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 2:03 PM, Jim Watson <osious at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I wasn't comparing the bus to the steam car, I was just asking where
>>>>> innovation has gone in this country. 100 years ago we were making cars like
>>>>> that Dobel. Here is a site that talks about three cars that were made before
>>>>> the depression that were all alternate fuel vehicles. One was fully
>>>>> electric! (Baker Electric) Why didn't they make it?? Car companies say we
>>>>> don't have the technology to make anything other than gas using vehicles.
>>>>> Jay Leno is the proud owner of all three alternate fuel vehicles that were
>>>>> made before the depression. They are all very cool,.. You should also look
>>>>> at the Jay Leno video clip about the Dobel. It is very inspiring! He says
>>>>> that his Dobel is more sophisticated than any car in his garage. Talk about
>>>>> innovation!!!! He has lots of million dollar sport cars! The funny thing is,
>>>>> the gas cars are the MOST inefficient of all vehicles!!! I have heard that
>>>>> only 20-30% of the gas that you put in your car actualy propels the car
>>>>> forward. This non-gas using vehicle stuff is so interesting. I am looking
>>>>> forward to making my own electric car.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.popularmechanics.com/automotive/jay_leno_garage/4215940.html?nav=RSS20
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 12:32 PM, Ian Ward <ian.ward at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah...who needs a seat belts, anti-lock brakes or a roof! And how
>>>>>> many of those did they sell for $20,000 in 1924? That would be like a
>>>>>> quarter million dollar car, today.
>>>>>> Not that I'm defending the big 2.5, but come on! apples to ...
>>>>>> cumquat?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 12:03 PM, Jim Watson <osious at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I heard about a new bus their making in India. It runs off of a 40 hp
>>>>>>> gas motor,.... This motor then turns an extremely heavey flywheel up to
>>>>>>> around 40,000 rpms. They found a way, using composites, to keep the fly
>>>>>>> wheel from exploding. The bus driver says the bus handles like a Porch. The
>>>>>>> bus has no brakes,.. hahaha braking actualy restores mechanical power to the
>>>>>>> flywheel to slow the bus down. cool stuff.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Has anyone heard about the 1924 Dobel steam car. It weighs 6000 lbs.
>>>>>>> It has about 1000 ft lbs of torque. It will start up in less than 30 seconds
>>>>>>> from (cold to moving). top speed 90 mph. It uses 24 gallons of water and a
>>>>>>> quart of oil every 100 miles or so. At 70 mph the engine is turning 900
>>>>>>> rpms!!!! Why can't american car companies be this inovative???? Don't answer
>>>>>>> that,....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>>>
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