[ausev] 40 hp bus +

[Lionel Hinojosa]

You know it's not about the garages, nor the apt complex. I will say both are very good points.  But rather about freedom.  You still charge your car or truck at home at night so you have a full charge in the morning.  But when your out and about if after work you have to go to a second or third stop before you get home you are safe.  You can stop off at the charging station and top off your batteries.  If your lucky enough to have charging stations at you company parking structure,  or when the Miles highway speed car come on line or the Phoenix SUV or SUT is available you can make a trip to Temple top off and come back home Then charge your car at home over night.  It gives you extended range.  Did you know that  the first gasoline sold was through hardware stores.  The first Filling Station built in the USA is said to have been in 1905 in St Louis, MO, then Seattle, WA in 1907.  You know I would have guessed in Detroit, MI but I have yet
 to find any info on that.  The very first one was in Germany at, of all places, a Pharmacy.  Just a tidbit for you.


Leo

--- On Mon, 12/22/08, Jim Watson <osious at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Jim Watson <osious at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [ausev] 40 hp bus +
To: "AustinEV News Announcements and General Discussion" <ausev at austinev.org>
Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 1:30 PM


Your right about that,... I would have to ask my office if I could plug in at work too,... Oh well. I will still try to convert a car that could make the round trip. But to set up chargers at every parking space at an apartment complex would be very expensive! I am designing an apartment complex with about 1000 parking spaces, right now. Man I feel stupid, hahahaha

Jim


On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 1:21 PM, Gil Dawson <Gil at gil.dawson.name> wrote:





On Dec 22, 2008, at 6:59 A, Jim Watson wrote:
It would be easier in my opinion to fuel my own vehicle in my own garage instead of having to drive somewhere to fuel it.

Many people have no garage.  EVs are useless for people who park in a different spot on the street each night.  Without filling stations, they have no way to charge.   A large segment of our population might have gotten the impression that EVs are solely for rich people, those who can afford a garage.  Maybe that's what Lionel was thinking about when he highlighted infrastructure.




On Dec 22, 2008, at 8:00 A, Ken Thomas wrote:

The average oil refinery burns 8 to 12 KWH of electricity per gallon of 
gasoline produced. A Phoenix Motor Cars SUV uses about 0.35 KWH per 
mile.

Let's do the math:  
To go 30 miles, a gas car uses, say, one gallon of gas, which needed 8 to 10 Kwh .   
To go that same 30 miles, a Phoenix  SUV would require only 30 x 0.35 = 10.5 Kwh.  
This doesn't look right, does it?



On Dec 22, 2008, at 8:28 A, Jim Watson wrote:
I worry that corporations have become too strong for the government in this nation.




Amen.  Has everyone seen the movie named, "The Corporation"?  It explains it all for you.


On Dec 22, 2008, at 9:29 A, Jim Watson wrote:



As much as I hate using gas in a conversion it still seems like an interesting idea for a big truck.


For really big trucks on the interstate highways, I have not been able to imagine any primary energy source besides petroleum.  It'll take a huge leap in battery technology to power an 18-wheeled articulated lorry full of stuff between cities.  


Or airplanes.  Can you imagine getting 300 people from NYC to LA in five hours on batteries? 


On the other hand, I did drive an 80-mile-range EV1 from LA to Las Vegas and back.  Took all day and part of the next with four charging stops each way (thank you again, Bill, Greg and KOA), but we got there.  Maybe this could be a model for transportation in the long term.


--Gil
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