[ausev] The Real URL for the HHO generator
John Penry at TransTexasTrucks
jpenry at transtexastrucks.com
Sat Jul 5 21:26:08 GMT 2008
I wish you the best of luck.
If these devices worked, wouldn't it be the cheapest thing that Ford, GM, and MoPar could do to make sales happen?
Wouldn't it make sense for them to spend a few hundred per car and improve their mileage, rather than do like Ford and offer an $8000.00 rebate? Or like MoPar and offer a coupon for $2.99 gas for 3 years? Or GM's 72 month zero percent interest? What is it about these devices that won't allow car manufacturer's to install them. Oh yes, RONN motors did, but his car sells for $150K. If I could buy a car for that price, I wouldn't be worrying about miles per gallon.
Let us know when you are ready. I like the hamburgers in Bastrop, too.
John
----- Original Message -----
From: m. edmund howse
To: AustinEV News Announcements and General Discussion
Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 1:42 PM
Subject: Re: [ausev] The Real URL for the HHO generator
Not a bad plan but first I'm redesigning to increase production and hopefully efficiency then when It's time to test I think I'll drive towards to SA or Bastrop from Austin instead of Houston from
anywhere. I'll let you know when I'm ready but I've also got an EV motorcycle and auto I'm working on so between ARLUT and my family I've not much time for many things.
marv
John Penry at TransTexasTrucks wrote:
Let's go for a ride!
If your device works, come out to Seguin, and we will fill up your car and drive to Houston - or maybe avoid the traffic and just go to Katy.
We will record the time of day, the temperature, and the amount of time we took to get to Katy. Then, we can turn around in Katy, and come back to Seguin and fill that car up, and see how many miles to the gallon it gets. Then we will take a second trip to Katy, and try to match the speed, as best as we can. When we return for the second time, we will get another fill up. Easy!
Here are the conditions of the test.
a.. Only one of the trips will have the device activated
a.. Neither of us will know which trip it was until both trips are over and the tank is refilled.
a.. A third party will be required to set the device on or off and disable the "computer" chip, if you have one.
A Blind test is the only way to prove these devices work.
----- Original Message -----
From: m. edmund howse
To: AustinEV News Announcements and General Discussion
Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: [ausev] The Real URL for the HHO generator
One of my favorite phrases is " Be skeptical and you'll never be disappointed." So it is easy to
see why some disbelieve the videos on the internet but I have built my own hho generator and my
third prototype produces significant gas. The first two were not expected to and they performed as I expected. I'm sure there are scammers trying to get rich off of the desperate public but to label them all evil or corrupt is probably not right. As far as energy is concerned there are 1800, roughly, gallons of hydrogen in a gallon of water and pound for pound hydrogen has more energy than gasoline. The oil and automotive industry are seriously considering hydrogen power and they do not want the public to be able to parasitically take advantage of their power. They want to drain us dry and control us like they have been all of these years.
I've heard lots of speculation why gas prices are so high today and I will suggest to you that the oil industry is actually to blame and of course this includes GW Bushwhacker and Dick "shotgun" Cheney.
My point is, there are a lot of technology savvy people creating simple methods of energy conservation and I'd believe them before I'd believe our present government, large corporations or someone who has never gone where others have dared to tread and mock them for making claims that seem to be extraordinary. Remember, life itself is a miracle. How do you qualify it!!
marv
John Penry at TransTexasTrucks wrote:
Almost.
We used to have a saying in software.
Q. What's the difference between a software salesman and a used car salesman?
A. The used car salesman knows he is lying.
The YouTube videos show a tank of water, and it fizzes like a 7-up when the juice is applied. But that is not going to produce near enough Hydrogen gas with only 12 volts. Hyrdoxy torches use 10,000 volts to create their gas, and it takes a while, from what I have read.
These scams are just aided by journalists who don't check with knowledgeable people before airing these stories.
P.T. Barnum would be proud.
John
----- Original Message -----
From: Clendon Gibson
To: AustinEV News Announcements and General Discussion
Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 10:27 PM
Subject: Re: [ausev] The Real URL for the HHO generator
I don't know how much that much hydrogen would help or if the benefit would be worthwhile.
As I said, if done properly, this could be of benefit. If all you get is a balloon full every 25 minutes and if that much isn't enough to significantly affect the MPG, then I would suggest it has not been done properly.
That is the essence of the scam. Not that the idea is bad, but that the conman has not bothered to do it well enough to justify it as an improvement.
The point I am trying to make is that this con is the difference between good engineering and bad engineering, not good science and bad science.
----- Original Message ----
From: John Penry at TransTexasTrucks <jpenry at transtexastrucks.com>
To: Clendon Gibson <bsandyman at yahoo.com>; AustinEV News Announcements and General Discussion <ausev at austinev.org>
Sent: Friday, July 4, 2008 9:25:57 PM
Subject: Re: [ausev] The Real URL for the HHO generator
The Octane rating of Hydrogen is about 50. How does a balloon full of Hydrogen every 25 minutes improve mileage?
----- Original Message -----
From: Clendon Gibson
To: AustinEV News Announcements and General Discussion
Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 8:19 PM
Subject: Re: [ausev] The Real URL for the HHO generator
It sounds to me like what the guy is saying is that the offers to do this are scams. They claim they are revolutionary and they are realling touting a princible that had been known and understood for quite some time.
There is the additional safety concern of having quantaties of oxygen or hydrogen somewhere.
However hydrogen or oxygen would boost the power of the ICE using gasloline and if done properly could lead to greater fuel efficiency. One has to wonder how a car burning hydrogen and oxygen only would perform.
Now whether such thing would lower your fuel bills is something else entirely.
----- Original Message ----
From: Michael <mringer at austin.rr.com>
To: AustinEV News Announcements and General Discussion <ausev at austinev.org>
Sent: Saturday, July 5, 2008 12:18:23 AM
Subject: Re: [ausev] The Real URL for the HHO generator
If you believe this guy it’s a complete scam
http://www.computernewbie.info/wheatdogg/2006/07/14/the-latest-scientific-breakthrough-scam-water-gas/
From: ausev-bounces at austinev.org [mailto: http://www.computernewbie.info/wheatdogg/2006/07/14/the-latest-scientific-breakthrough-scam-water-gas/ausev-bounces@austinev.org] On Behalf Of John Penry at TransTexasTrucks
Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 3:11 PM
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Subject: [ausev] The Real URL for the HHO generator
Notice how the URL never changes as you click different videos. My mistake.
http://www.ksat.com/video/16787078/index.html
Cambridge says they sold 10,000 of these at $1500 each.
I would never let greed allow me to take advantage of people this way.
Even for 10 million bucks.
http://www.transtexastrucks.com
I decided to challenge the Automakers.
I will make a Plug in Series Hybrid Crew-Cab Pickup before Detroit does.
But if I lose this race, we all become winners.
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