[ausev] hydrogen efficiency

[Ian Ward]

Eestor is the company that I'm referring to.

If you're not familiar with them, they are very secretive and haven't
allowed 3rd party verification of their claims, which leads to skepticism
about the success and reality of making a large-format battery, especially
in an era that demands transparency and an industry that has been plagued by
free-energy crackpots and scammers. On the other hand, they are well funded
and exclusive rights to their technology have already been purchased for
automotive use by Zenn and military use by Lockheed Martin. Despite their
technology being locked up by other companies, I'm hopeful that it is for
real, as 1) they are local, and 2) it would change the game in a big way.
I'm an optimistic skeptic, because I have nothing to personally gain or
lose.

- ian

On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 9:29 PM, m. edmund howse <bytedawg at bytetamer.com>
wrote:

>  The only place I've found to have access to super capacitors with some
> stock is Digikey.com.
> The Univ. of Texas uses a lot of capacitors but the ones I'm familiar with
> are in the 30-50kv
> range. You probably don't want them in your EV except maybe for theft
> prevention. LOL.
>
> marv
>
> Gil Dawson wrote:
>
> This message has three subsubjects: 1) Capacitors in Austin, 2) Hydrogen in
> the atmosphere, and 3) A new plea for Production electric cars.
>
>
>  1) Capacitors in Austin
>
>  At 2:02 P -0500 6/2/08, Ian Ward wrote:
> >we also have a local company working on potentially amazing capacitors.
>
>  In Austin?  Oh, who, Ian?  Tell! Tell!
>
>
>  2) Hydrogen in the atmosphere
>
>  At 12:57 P -0500 6/2/08, m. edmund howse wrote:
> >I can't believe hydrogen if set free could escape the atmosphere
>
>  You're quite right.  Some does leave* (it's lighter than helium, after
> all), but most is reabsorbed into the soil or, as you pointed out,
> recombined into other chemicals.  So much is constantly being generated that
> there's plenty of hydrogen gas (H2) still here in our atmosphere.
>
>  I Googled "hydrogen in the atmosphere" and got several very
> authoritative-looking papers measuring how much hydrogen gas (H2) is in the
> atmosphere and how it's changing (automobiles emit a lot.)  You're right --
> there's tons of hydrogen gas -- H2, not part of any other molecule -- in the
> atmosphere**.
>
>  Helium does get lost to space***, apparently, but then there's much less
> of it being generated (from radioactive decay.)
>
>
>  3) A new plea for Production electric cars
>
>  As we're off topic anyway, I'd like to point out that advances in
> technology are not needed for us to own electric cars.  Most messages on
> this list (until this past week) are all about people building electic cars
> with technology that's on shelves somewhere right now.
>
>  Those of us unwilling to do the work to make ourselves a car, however,
> don't have much in the way of alternatives.  Here's a cool video posted just
> hours ago that laments this lack in an engaging way:
>
>     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOVdEKuQR1g
>
>
>  --Gil
>
>
>  References:
>
>  *-Hydrogen is ... the most abundant [element] in the universe...  Because
> hydrogen gas is so light, most of it escaped from the lower atmosphere early
> in the Earth's history.
>
>     http://www.enviroliteracy.org/article.php/1001.php
>
>
>  **-The troposphere has an estimated 155 Tg of hydrogen gas:
>    [I think Tg means Teragrams. --Gil]
>
>     http://www.princeton.edu/~chm333/2004/Hydrogen/h2_atmosphere.htm<http://www.princeton.edu/%7Echm333/2004/Hydrogen/h2_atmosphere.htm>
>
>
>  ***-Helium, the second most abundant element in the universe,... makes up
> about 0.0005% of the earth's atmosphere. This trace amount of helium is not
> gravitationally bound to the earth and is constantly lost to space.
>
>     http://education.jlab.org/itselemental/ele002.html
>
>
>  --Gil
>
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