[ausev] Austin EV startup

[Ian Ward]

I think you misunderstand my point, Marv.  This being the Austin ELECTRIC
Vehicles mailing list, I'm not comparing it to the efficiency of gasoline,
I'm comparing it to a pure electric drive.

Sure, with hydrogen drive (HCE or fool cell) you are removing the millions
of point sources of pollution and there is something to be said for that,
but when you compare the energy it takes to power a hydrogen car vs an
electric car, you're wasting a lot of energy - the pollution of THAT is
certainly an argument.

- ian

On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 9:26 AM, m. edmund howse <bytedawg at bytetamer.com>
wrote:

>  Efficiency???? How much energy do you think it takes, Ian, to produce
> gasoline??? And how much pollution does this process create???
> As far as hydrogen is concerned, I have built a hydrogen generator and I
> cannot understand why
> anyone would NOT consider this a feasible source of energy to power an
> automobile.
> Hydrogen burns clean, really clean, producing only water. And if you
> integrate this concept into the efficiency quotient in the reduction of
> pollution, I think the efficiency concept is not even an argument.
>
> marv
>
>
> Ian Ward wrote:
>
> I am more interested in their plug-in electrics, which admittedly, don't
> seem to be the focus of their business. I was just wondering if they've
> attempted to work or consult with anyone in the vicinity.
>
> I don't believe hydrogen is a viable energy storage medium because "it's
> the efficiency, stupid."  Although, when you are talking about
> super-performance cars, you get to hand-wave those kinds of rational
> arguments at will.
>
> - ian
>
> On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 5:54 PM, Gil Dawson <Gil at gil.dawson.name> wrote:
>
>>   At 4:30 P -0500 5/30/08, Ian Ward wrote:
>> Has anyone met/talked with these guys?  This is out of the blue to me...
>>
>> http://www.bizjournals.com/austin/stories/2008/05/26/daily29.html
>> http://www.ronnmotors.com/
>>
>>   I haven't, but it's an interesting idea.  Hydrogen is expensive,
>> relative to gasoline (or, at least it was when they first suggested fuel
>> cell cars.)   But you only consume it when you want to go fast.
>>
>>  Would you call this a hybrid?
>>
>>  If this idea sells then, if gas prices rise faster than hydrogen prices
>> (quite likely, IMHO), I can imagine that eventually they could offer a
>> series of aftermarket kits that would let the owner use more and more
>> hydrogen and require less and less gas.
>>
>>  Ronn's taking a post-modernist approach to the transition.
>>
>>  --Gil
>>
>>  P.S.  The article doesn't say, but these cars will burn hydrogen in an
>> internal combustion engine, right?  They're not talking fuel cell here, are
>> they?
>>
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