[ausev] Austin EV startup
m. edmund howse
bytedawg at bytetamer.com
Sat May 31 23:26:18 GMT 2008
Hydrogen gas does not really explode, though it can in the right
environment but it does burn well. The technology we're discussing is on
demand hydrogen which is safer than gasoline, theoretically.
So on demand hydrogen does not need compressing or storage.
marv
Charlesvsi at aol.com wrote:
> one last word on hydrogen, Don't forget it must be compressed and kept
> sub zero cold to store it efficiently.
> . And if it escapes and starts to burn, that's called an explosion,
> Who wants this compressor plant in their back yard. The first
> explosion will kill many, and will kill hydrogen as a public commodity.
> Chuck
>
>
> In a message dated 5/31/2008 5:38:05 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> bytedawg at bytetamer.com writes:
>
>
> Erik
>
>
> On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 10:50 AM, m. edmund howse
> <bytedawg at bytetamer.com <mailto:bytedawg at bytetamer.com>> wrote:
>
> Actually it isn't off topic because hydrogen is a good source
> of electricity for the electric motor.
> I'm working on an electric motorcycle and auto at the moment
> myself. And.
> A lot of discussion here has been in regards to some form of
> generating power to provide electricity to charge batteries
> etc. ICE are of course a good potential depending on the fuel.
> As far as I'm concerned the cleaner the better. But if
> hydrogen on demand works and some claim it does then you may
> only need one battery in your electric vehicle instead of
> dozens and your range will be unlimited. Kind of scary. But if
> you want to use batteries, don't let me stop you. And of
> course if you don't want or can't believe it can be done I
> won't argue with you either. But so far from my experience it
> only takes 12 watts of power to begin extracting hydrogen from
> plain old tap water.
> As far as I'm concerned whether hydrogen is used as a source
> of electricity to power an electric motor or as a source of
> energy to power an ICE that could do either should be of
> concern to all.
>
> marv
>
>
>
> Ian Ward wrote:
>> I think you misunderstand my point, Marv. This being the
>> Austin ELECTRIC Vehicles mailing list, I'm not comparing it
>> to the efficiency of gasoline, I'm comparing it to a pure
>> electric drive.
>>
>> Sure, with hydrogen drive (HCE or fool cell) you are removing
>> the millions of point sources of pollution and there is
>> something to be said for that, but when you compare the
>> energy it takes to power a hydrogen car vs an electric car,
>> you're wasting a lot of energy - the pollution of THAT is
>> certainly an argument.
>>
>> - ian
>>
>> On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 9:26 AM, m. edmund howse
>> <bytedawg at bytetamer.com <mailto:bytedawg at bytetamer.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Efficiency???? How much energy do you think it takes,
>> Ian, to produce gasoline??? And how much pollution does
>> this process create???
>> As far as hydrogen is concerned, I have built a hydrogen
>> generator and I cannot understand why
>> anyone would NOT consider this a feasible source of
>> energy to power an automobile.
>> Hydrogen burns clean, really clean, producing only water.
>> And if you integrate this concept into the efficiency
>> quotient in the reduction of pollution, I think the
>> efficiency concept is not even an argument.
>>
>> marv
>>
>>
>> Ian Ward wrote:
>>> I am more interested in their plug-in electrics, which
>>> admittedly, don't seem to be the focus of their
>>> business. I was just wondering if they've attempted to
>>> work or consult with anyone in the vicinity.
>>>
>>> I don't believe hydrogen is a viable energy storage
>>> medium because "it's the efficiency, stupid." Although,
>>> when you are talking about super-performance cars, you
>>> get to hand-wave those kinds of rational arguments at will.
>>>
>>> - ian
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 5:54 PM, Gil Dawson
>>> <Gil at gil.dawson.name <mailto:Gil at gil.dawson.name>> wrote:
>>>
>>> At 4:30 P -0500 5/30/08, Ian Ward wrote:
>>> Has anyone met/talked with these guys? This is out
>>> of the blue to me...
>>>
>>> http://www.bizjournals.com/austin/stories/2008/05/26/daily29.html
>>> http://www.ronnmotors.com/
>>>
>>> I haven't, but it's an interesting idea. Hydrogen
>>> is expensive, relative to gasoline (or, at least it
>>> was when they first suggested fuel cell cars.) But
>>> you only consume it when you want to go fast.
>>>
>>> Would you call this a hybrid?
>>>
>>> If this idea sells then, if gas prices rise faster
>>> than hydrogen prices (quite likely, IMHO), I can
>>> imagine that eventually they could offer a series of
>>> aftermarket kits that would let the owner use more
>>> and more hydrogen and require less and less gas.
>>>
>>> Ronn's taking a post-modernist approach to the
>>> transition.
>>>
>>> --Gil
>>>
>>> P.S. The article doesn't say, but these cars will
>>> burn hydrogen in an internal combustion engine,
>>> right? They're not talking fuel cell here, are they?
>>>
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