[ausev] New list member and I have a few questions.

Fri Nov 21 15:07:27 GMT 2008

I'd be interested too actually, the Atlanta group doesn't seem to have a
list as far as I know.

Erik

On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 1:27 AM, Kevin Douglass <k.douglass at earthlink.net>wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I'm a member of the Houston EAA Group.
>
> I would like to know how you all set up this email list so that we may do
> the same here in Houston.
>
> You can contact me at k.douglass at earthlink.net
>
> Thank you.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ausev-bounces at austinev.org [mailto:ausev-bounces at austinev.org] On
> Behalf Of tomsmail at wtez.net
> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 1:56 PM
> To: r5aaap at yahoo.com; AustinEV News Announcements and General Discussion
> Cc: ausev at austinev.org
> Subject: Re: [ausev] New list member and I have a few questions.
>
> Hello,
>
> FWIW, I would strongly advise not going into debt.  Very few things justify
> indebtedness; e.g. like a home purchase (and even that has gotten out of
> hand lately, hasn't it?).
>
> 400 amps is plenty for the AC systems.  The DMOC445 tops out at 275A.  Is
> it
> the AC22 or the AC55 you are looking at?
>
> The AC55 is one large motor.  You will need about 8 inchs plus some margin
> for vibration, c.c. between input shaft and output shaft of your
> transmission for clearance.  PLEASE check the transmission measurements
> first!  I don't know what they are on a Saturn but the Saturn strikes me as
> a compact car.  The saturn is an excellent choice for a converison I think,
> but it may not work with AC55.
>
> The AC55 wants 336V nominal to get the max power output, but will work with
> less.  The transistors on the DMOC are limited to 400V forward and reverse,
> so I recommend 312V to maximize regen potential, and save a little weight.
> The AC22 will work with 240V.
>
> Battery fitment may not be a problem if you are using SLA from
> (Enersys)Genesis - they come in many different sizes and scale well.  I
> currently have 26 count of G16EP on the Tracker, which weighs a total of
> 338
> lbs.   26 count of G26EP will weight 579 lbs.  (not bad!).  This is my
> unsubstantiated estimate: 26xG26EP=20 miles.  I will admit that
> interconnect
> for so many batteries is a pain.
>
> The AC22 strikes me as a bit underpowered for a 2200 lb car.  I would think
> about AC22 if I had a Geo Metro, Toyota Yaris, or some other sub-1900 lb
> donor vehicle.
>
> You've got a gold mine with the Mazda - at 3000 lbs. it would make an
> excellent donor for an AC55 based conversion.  But do not go direct
> connect.
> Keep the manual transmission and get some 2" 'body lift kits' if you need
> extra motor clearance above the steering linkage.  With the pickup, you can
> afford to look at larger batteries.
>
> ElectroAutomotive is a very reputable company and dealing with them was
> acceptable; they were helpful and very professional in the face of delays
> from their supplier.  Expect delays from Azure.  My one complaint would be
> their payment policy - I don't feel as comfortable handing over $$,000 when
> they don't have something in stock with such a known long lead time.  It is
> a risk.  I would like to have seen a fractional security deposit payment
> with the remainder payed on delivery to feel totally good about it.
>
> In summary, I would recommend a cheaper DC system for your Saturn in the
> short term, and hold on to the Mazda for something more expensive later.
>
> Tom
>
>
> --- r5aaap at yahoo.com wrote:
>
> From: David Leon <r5aaap at yahoo.com>
> To: ausev at austinev.org
> Subject: [ausev] New list member and I have a few questions.
> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 03:50:28 -0700 (PDT)
>
> I live in an apartment complex (temporary), so I don't have access to
> an outside 120/240 source, or a shop/garage to do the conversion.
>
> I was leaning toward the AC kit offered by electroautomotive for $12,000.
> I figured it would be a good fit for my 97 Saturn SW1 that I own. I
> figured once I got the first conversion completed, I would convert the
> 2008 Mazda B2300 after I made the mistakes with the Saturn.
>
> My questions are, "Has anyone done business with electroautomotive?"
> "Could I do better with alternative vendors for similar parts for the
> AC kit that electroautomotive offers?"
>
> Then I have a question about financing. Financing at market rates doesn't
> make sense money wise. It could only make sense at 0% interest with a
> 60 month term. I'm only considering the cost of the parts of the AC kit
> at $12,000. My time and labor for the conversion is not included in that
> cost.
>
> Are there any federal, state, or local (grants, incentives, tax credits,
> etc)
> that I could enlist to offset the initial $12,000 cost of the AC kit?
>
> And finally, I guess I'm looking for the optimum conversion by going AC
> with
> the highest possible voltage. I've seen that wet cell deep cycle batteries
> are limited by a maximum current of approximately 400 amps. I figure if I
> keep the duty cycle low and the current down, I can get the most lifetime
> from the batteries.
>
> Thanks again,
> Wannabe EV in San Marcos
>
>
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